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Failing video card - or is it ?

 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Failing video card - or is it ?
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Hello,

I want to ask for some help with my PC - something happened, which I cannot explain:

While I was playing a game, the image froze for 4 seconds, then it worked again and after 10 minutes it froze completely. I had to shut it down from the button. When I tried to start it again, the monitor never turned on ever since.

I know what you're thinking: video card failing. Ok, here's what I have done:
- I took out my video card and put it in another PC and it worked fine. That means that the video card is ok.
- I put in my PC a different video card and it also worked. That means that the rest of the PC is ok.

So what's the problem then ? Only when I put _my_ video card in _my_ PC the monitor doesn't turn on. The rest of the PC boots fine, but I get no image.

I have an NVIDIA GeForce 6600 gt and my mainboard is ABIT AW8.

Thank you.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:17 am    Post subject:
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Check Device Manager for problems. Try reinstalling/updating your video card drivers.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:39 pm    Post subject:
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I can't check Device Manager, since I cannot turn on my monitor. And if I replace my video card and it will work, there won't be any problems.

And Video Drivers have nothing to do with BIOS for example, which also doesn't show up on my screen.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject:
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k027 is right. With the working card installed, download and save, for now, the latest drivers for the 6600GT. Uninstall all your existing drivers, shutdown, power off, UNPLUG, touch bare metal, and swap in the 6600GT. It should (in theory) come up in standard VGA mode, and allow you to install the new 6600GT drivers.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject:
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I don't understand what drivers have to do with anything. It should work even if I pulled out my hard drive - the monitor should still turn on.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject:
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I don't understand what drivers have to do with anything. It should work even if I pulled out my hard drive - the monitor should still turn on.
No, not necessarily. Graphics cards have a BIOS in firmware that has features set by the computer. If the card's BIOS becomes corrupt - say during a sudden power outage or over heat event, it now may not even understand the simple VGA calls the motherboard's chipset is sending down the bus.

If you get nothing on the monitor at all, it would appear your monitor and your graphics card are not handshaking. The monitor is bad, or the graphics card is not sending a signal to the monitor to wake up.

My 6600GT supports 2 DVI ports for two monitors. Ensure this monitor is not connected to the wrong connector on your card, or to the on-board -

While not super power hungry, the 6600GT eats its share, ensure the PSU has the power (and connectors) to support that card.

My LCD monitors support 2 DVI ports so I can select what source I want to view. If your monitor has more than one port, make sure the cable is in the correct monitor port?

If you cannot see any of the boot process, you know the monitor is good and properly connected and powered, and you have tried a different card that works fine, then it would seem you have an incompatible card. It happens.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject:
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No, not necessarily. Graphics cards have a BIOS in firmware that has features set by the computer. If the card's BIOS becomes corrupt - say during a sudden power outage or over heat event, it now may not even understand the simple VGA calls the motherboard's chipset is sending down the bus.

Yes, but as I mentioned earlier, my video card worked on another PC, so it works, but only not on mine.

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If you get nothing on the monitor at all, it would appear your monitor and your graphics card are not handshaking. The monitor is bad, or the graphics card is not sending a signal to the monitor to wake up.

The monitor is also ok, I have tested it.

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My 6600GT supports 2 DVI ports for two monitors. Ensure this monitor is not connected to the wrong connector on your card, or to the on-board -

It isn't.

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While not super power hungry, the 6600GT eats its share, ensure the PSU has the power (and connectors) to support that card.

It worked before just fine, it should work now, because I haven't changed anything in my PC. On the other hand, I was talking to someone else and he told me there might be something wrong with my mainboard, it can't provide enough power to the video card, for initialization. And maybe the other card I have tested, even though is more performant, needs less power for initialization.

Bill_Bright wrote:
If you cannot see any of the boot process, you know the monitor is good and properly connected and powered, and you have tried a different card that works fine, then it would seem you have an incompatible card. It happens.

I had this card for about 2 years, only now it has suddenly stopped working and I haven't changed anything in my PC.

I think I will take my PC to a special repair place - I will tell you what was wrong with it when it's fixed.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject:
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I was talking to someone else and he told me there might be something wrong with my mainboard, it can't provide enough power to the video card, for initialization.
That's true, that's why I said to make sure all connections have been made. Some motherboards require more than just the one big 20 or 24pin power connector. But, as you noted, it worked before.

Sorry we could not help further - some times it just needs to go up on a bench.


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Ok, I got it back, they told me that the video card was failing and that it would work or not randomly (perhaps they didn't know the exact reason either, but the card was definitely broken) and it's best to replace it - and so I have - and now everything works.

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Well, that's what it was pointing too all along. I am glad you got it fixed and thanks for the followup.

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they told me that the video card was failing and that it would work or not randomly
I don't know what the shop did, but I note it was not random with you. It was confusingly consistent, it worked on one machine, and not the other. If you know they tried it in two or three test machines in the shop, then I would agree and that card is not salvageable.

If unsure how they tested it, before tossing that graphics card in the recycle bin, I would still want to test it again, but with a different power supply - one I knew was good, within tight tolerances, and of sufficient power. I would put the card back in a machine that it works with first and check for driver updates on the card maker's site - as mentioned earlier, they may include firmware updates that, if nothing else, might reset any defaults that some how became corrupted. I would also make sure the original PC had current drivers and the motherboard BIOS was current too.

I should have cautioned earlier to ensure you (as in any reader attempting this) prevent causing ESD damage to the cards and computers from a static discharge by always UNPLUGGING the computer and discharging yourself by touching the bare metal of the case before reaching inside, and often thereafter.

Before inserting the card, take a brand new pencil and very carefully, while being very ESD aware, slowly erase the card's contacts clean, both sides - being careful to only allow the erasure to make contact with the card's electrical contacts. Ensure the last swipe with the erasure on each contact is with a clean erasure. Clean denim jeans work great for cleaning erasures! Wink

Never touch the contacts with bare skin - besides potential ESD damage, skin oils promote corrosion and grab on to dirt. Blast the contacts clean of erasure debris and dust with a can of compressed dusting gas, available just about anywhere.

If it still does not work when inserted in your computer with a good PSU, then some component (or combination of components) is creating an out-of-tolerance condition, causing the card and motherboard to fail the "handshake" and work together properly. Perhaps the card is flexed in such a way in that slot/case as to break contact across a microfracture. Or as we used to say back in my AF radio maintenance days, "FM" - not for Frequency Modulation, but for a certain type of Magic! Wink

If still no luck, cannibalize the fan. If that card is passively cooled (no fan) I would keep the heatsink too - it is probably a good one - then toss the card in your precious metals recycle bin. If you don't have a precious metals recycle bin, start one, with that card as the first item - no need to poison the Earth any further.


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